Thursday, April 30, 2009
Dave Ramsey
I honestly really like the cocktail of hope that he gave. The first thing to do if you are struggling with hope is get up and do something. Don't just sit back and wait on somebody else to bail you out. There really is something about action that helps a lot. This is useful in evangelism is that we can talk a lot about how upset we are about the moral state of the world and about how the world is spiraling downward and all that and feel very out of control. But we need to get out there and start advancing God's kingdom like he is the king that he is. We can have hope for our world if WE are the ones committed to changing it. The second thing to do is not participate in loser talk. This works for evangelism too. Don't talk to people who are just waiting for the Lord to return and watching as the world gets worse. Talk to people who are changing lives and are serious about changing the world. Talk to people who refuse to accept defeat and you will be encouraged. Thirdly, Dave encouraged people to remember giving. This works for evangelism also. Start giving of yourself. Give of yourself radically. Give your time, your money, your heart, your soul and your mind to seeing the lost saved. If the laws of Sowing and Reaping are true. Great work produces a great harvest. If they aren't, Let's pack up this whole operation called church and go home.
church rater 3
The Church
What Church did you visit?
St Joseph the Worker Parish
What city or town is this Church located?
Bonneville Gettysburg, Pa
What date and service did you attend?
4-30-09 8 AM MAss
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Please provide ratings based on your own experience. Yes, I realize
this is subjective and your '1′ might be someone else's '5′. That's
ok. It's your rating and I really want your opinion.
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 3 Friendliness 4 Singing NA
____________ Preaching 3
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find?
very
Was it difficult to find parking?
no, i had to guess as far as where it was because i needed to find an alley near to the church to get on the back street that lead to the parking lot but i found parking easily
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently?
there were not really any signs i saw. I would probably put a sign out front with the church name, mass times, and "Parking in Rear"
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building
communicate to you?
It looked like a catholic church. It was easy to find and i knew it was a main line denomination church because of the building style
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway?
no, after
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
it was cool, they just said good morning and i said it back. Then the informed me that the Father was going to be coming out so i hung around to talk to him. The second time i went i had a short conversation with a women about what i was doing now and how sh felt that i would eventually come around to being catholic again
Can you share their names?
I don't remember, but she told me twice that her husband was the deacon
Did you know them before the visit?like i said i went twice and apparently i said good morning to her the first time i was there
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went
through your mind?
that i didn't how their liturgy worked and tried to mumble under my breathe to pretend i knew what to say. I was trying to remember anything i could. i thought it was very tradition based
Were you able to understand why they do what they do?
yes. It is how catholic church works. I don't really know why. I mean i can think of the bible verses that they defend their actions with but i don't really know why they do church the way they do church. Like almost any mass you go to anywhere is the same. I don't know why that is.
Do they seem sincere?
i spent the whole time trying to find out. Some seemed very sincere and others did not
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the
liturgy, program or flow of the service)
it is very organized and quick service that is executed with precision. I thought it was well done, organized and traditional
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive? no, not really. i didn't really look at it or read it because i needed to pay attention to the quickly moving service. it had events and all that...pretty good. I thought it was out of date because it said "Third Sunday of Easter." It was this weeks bulletin. They just celebrate easter as a season.
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication
part of it- the bulletin especially?
I would probably include announcements somewhere in the service. Bulletin was pretty good. I think everything was in there that needed to be in there, even though i didn't know the bulletins were bulletins until i looked inside. There were no greeters and no one handing them out and you had to get one out of a bin for yourself. I would change that.
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for
anything)? no announcements
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly?
no
Did you bring any children with you to the service?
no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? non existent except for the chants..i will count them
Did you enjoy any of it? some were interesting
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yeah, whn we were praying for Christ to have mercy i was able to get into that kinda
How was it different from what you are used to?
Oh man, it was chants without music and i am used to rock music
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often?
no
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service?
they were nice but very planned. The plannedness made them poetic but only some of them felt sincere
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that
church might think of people, or of God?
they think everyone should relate to God the same way and they veiw God as a being to be respected and related to properly
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yeah
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yeah , he probably has some interesting views on God and Christianity and i could probably learn a little bit from him
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending?
kind of engaged, it felt like he does this seven days a week
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk?
i was motivated to know God and experience him in a deeper way
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
I wish it would have been longer and clearer. He didn't really spend any time on points. I didn't pay attention for like 30 seconds and i got lost and confused. It was just too short and i didn't get a chance to catch up.
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to
the talk: Enjoyable, , Thought-provoking, Boring, Relevant,
Gloomy, Credible,Useful,
The Message
What was the main idea of the message?
the bread of life and how we grow in experience as we grow in knowledge
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking?
getting to know God in a deeper way
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention?
it did but i got confused. You had to pay attention because otherwise you would totally miss it
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way?
not really
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her
presentation? just talk about less stuff. You only have ten minutes so just talk about one point and repeat yourself a lot. I got confused because it was so quick and content heavy. you can move quick but cover one point well instead of a lot of stuff poorly. I think the subject matter was too deep for the time allotted
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught?
we will grow in experiencing God as we grow in knowing him
Do you understand God or people better because of it?
I understand experiencing God better and i understand why people ( or me) might not experience God in a period of time in their lives
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ?
not really
What Church did you visit?
St Joseph the Worker Parish
What city or town is this Church located?
Bonneville Gettysburg, Pa
What date and service did you attend?
4-30-09 8 AM MAss
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Please provide ratings based on your own experience. Yes, I realize
this is subjective and your '1′ might be someone else's '5′. That's
ok. It's your rating and I really want your opinion.
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 3 Friendliness 4 Singing NA
____________ Preaching 3
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find?
very
Was it difficult to find parking?
no, i had to guess as far as where it was because i needed to find an alley near to the church to get on the back street that lead to the parking lot but i found parking easily
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently?
there were not really any signs i saw. I would probably put a sign out front with the church name, mass times, and "Parking in Rear"
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building
communicate to you?
It looked like a catholic church. It was easy to find and i knew it was a main line denomination church because of the building style
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway?
no, after
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
it was cool, they just said good morning and i said it back. Then the informed me that the Father was going to be coming out so i hung around to talk to him. The second time i went i had a short conversation with a women about what i was doing now and how sh felt that i would eventually come around to being catholic again
Can you share their names?
I don't remember, but she told me twice that her husband was the deacon
Did you know them before the visit?like i said i went twice and apparently i said good morning to her the first time i was there
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went
through your mind?
that i didn't how their liturgy worked and tried to mumble under my breathe to pretend i knew what to say. I was trying to remember anything i could. i thought it was very tradition based
Were you able to understand why they do what they do?
yes. It is how catholic church works. I don't really know why. I mean i can think of the bible verses that they defend their actions with but i don't really know why they do church the way they do church. Like almost any mass you go to anywhere is the same. I don't know why that is.
Do they seem sincere?
i spent the whole time trying to find out. Some seemed very sincere and others did not
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the
liturgy, program or flow of the service)
it is very organized and quick service that is executed with precision. I thought it was well done, organized and traditional
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive? no, not really. i didn't really look at it or read it because i needed to pay attention to the quickly moving service. it had events and all that...pretty good. I thought it was out of date because it said "Third Sunday of Easter." It was this weeks bulletin. They just celebrate easter as a season.
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication
part of it- the bulletin especially?
I would probably include announcements somewhere in the service. Bulletin was pretty good. I think everything was in there that needed to be in there, even though i didn't know the bulletins were bulletins until i looked inside. There were no greeters and no one handing them out and you had to get one out of a bin for yourself. I would change that.
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for
anything)? no announcements
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly?
no
Did you bring any children with you to the service?
no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? non existent except for the chants..i will count them
Did you enjoy any of it? some were interesting
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yeah, whn we were praying for Christ to have mercy i was able to get into that kinda
How was it different from what you are used to?
Oh man, it was chants without music and i am used to rock music
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often?
no
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service?
they were nice but very planned. The plannedness made them poetic but only some of them felt sincere
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that
church might think of people, or of God?
they think everyone should relate to God the same way and they veiw God as a being to be respected and related to properly
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yeah
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yeah , he probably has some interesting views on God and Christianity and i could probably learn a little bit from him
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending?
kind of engaged, it felt like he does this seven days a week
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk?
i was motivated to know God and experience him in a deeper way
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
I wish it would have been longer and clearer. He didn't really spend any time on points. I didn't pay attention for like 30 seconds and i got lost and confused. It was just too short and i didn't get a chance to catch up.
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to
the talk: Enjoyable, , Thought-provoking, Boring, Relevant,
Gloomy, Credible,Useful,
The Message
What was the main idea of the message?
the bread of life and how we grow in experience as we grow in knowledge
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking?
getting to know God in a deeper way
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention?
it did but i got confused. You had to pay attention because otherwise you would totally miss it
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way?
not really
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her
presentation? just talk about less stuff. You only have ten minutes so just talk about one point and repeat yourself a lot. I got confused because it was so quick and content heavy. you can move quick but cover one point well instead of a lot of stuff poorly. I think the subject matter was too deep for the time allotted
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught?
we will grow in experiencing God as we grow in knowing him
Do you understand God or people better because of it?
I understand experiencing God better and i understand why people ( or me) might not experience God in a period of time in their lives
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ?
not really
New Believer 4
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Phil
Phil's journey to faith was a long one. He had survived being shot, stabbed, hit by cars and a serious car accident and he found himself in jail wondering if this was really the way his life had turned out. He wondered if he should just accept it or if he has a purpose and a chance to change his life. He got a letter from his finance and then they got back together with her and had three boys. He took that as a sign that God was giving him a second chance. He decided to follow God so that he could be a great father and husband and break the cycle of abuse that his father had started . He is believing that he can break it forever and I am praying that his beliefs are realized.
For Phil, the best parts of being a Christian are the freedom from bondage he has enjoyed and the fact he doesn't have to worry about what tomorrow will bring. The hardest parts for Phil are submission to the rules of the Freedom House and to a leader that is younger than he is. Phil has been helped on his journey by the guys at the house and the people at the church. They have led him by example, accepted him for who he is and made an honest effort to build a relationship with him. Also, the testimonies of the men in the house have helped encourage him as he seeks his own freedom.
Phil wouldn't give anyone who is like he used to be any advice. He would just tell them about what building a relationship with God has done in his life. He would also tell them what they need to do to build a relationship with God. After that, it is their choice as to weather or not they want to change.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Phil
Phil's journey to faith was a long one. He had survived being shot, stabbed, hit by cars and a serious car accident and he found himself in jail wondering if this was really the way his life had turned out. He wondered if he should just accept it or if he has a purpose and a chance to change his life. He got a letter from his finance and then they got back together with her and had three boys. He took that as a sign that God was giving him a second chance. He decided to follow God so that he could be a great father and husband and break the cycle of abuse that his father had started . He is believing that he can break it forever and I am praying that his beliefs are realized.
For Phil, the best parts of being a Christian are the freedom from bondage he has enjoyed and the fact he doesn't have to worry about what tomorrow will bring. The hardest parts for Phil are submission to the rules of the Freedom House and to a leader that is younger than he is. Phil has been helped on his journey by the guys at the house and the people at the church. They have led him by example, accepted him for who he is and made an honest effort to build a relationship with him. Also, the testimonies of the men in the house have helped encourage him as he seeks his own freedom.
Phil wouldn't give anyone who is like he used to be any advice. He would just tell them about what building a relationship with God has done in his life. He would also tell them what they need to do to build a relationship with God. After that, it is their choice as to weather or not they want to change.
New Believer 3
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Travis
Travis is a student in our youth ministry who I have seen grow in the Lord over this past year. It has been awesome to see him get connected. I specifically remember a time when Daniel asked me to use him in a skit and I didn't even know who he was. He ended up doing the skit and doing a good job. He and I have grown close and he really is a good kid.
His journey to faith was relatively simple. He has come to faith by just attending Church, listening to the sermons, and making new friendships with Christ followers. These things have helped him to grow closer to Jesus as this year has progressed. Travis stepped over the line and made a commitment to Jesus during meetings with Johannes Amritzer that Freedom Valley Worship Center, his home church, had in June. He was baptized in water at the conclusion of that week. He now considered himself a believer and had started his journey of faith.
According to Travis, the best part of being a Christian has been confidence that he will not accidentally step into the wrong crowd as long as he stays around believers. Also, he enjoys the fact that he is happy most of the time. The hardest part has been having to constantly check himself an think about his actions. When you are a believer, you can't just do what you want. You have to check yourself. It is good that Travis already realizes this and has taken on the challenge because it is crucial to living an integrate life as a believer.
The things that have helped Travis grow are his church attendance and his friendships with church people. The advice he would give to someone in his position would be this: Go to church and get connected. Make good friends and get involved.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Travis
Travis is a student in our youth ministry who I have seen grow in the Lord over this past year. It has been awesome to see him get connected. I specifically remember a time when Daniel asked me to use him in a skit and I didn't even know who he was. He ended up doing the skit and doing a good job. He and I have grown close and he really is a good kid.
His journey to faith was relatively simple. He has come to faith by just attending Church, listening to the sermons, and making new friendships with Christ followers. These things have helped him to grow closer to Jesus as this year has progressed. Travis stepped over the line and made a commitment to Jesus during meetings with Johannes Amritzer that Freedom Valley Worship Center, his home church, had in June. He was baptized in water at the conclusion of that week. He now considered himself a believer and had started his journey of faith.
According to Travis, the best part of being a Christian has been confidence that he will not accidentally step into the wrong crowd as long as he stays around believers. Also, he enjoys the fact that he is happy most of the time. The hardest part has been having to constantly check himself an think about his actions. When you are a believer, you can't just do what you want. You have to check yourself. It is good that Travis already realizes this and has taken on the challenge because it is crucial to living an integrate life as a believer.
The things that have helped Travis grow are his church attendance and his friendships with church people. The advice he would give to someone in his position would be this: Go to church and get connected. Make good friends and get involved.
Unbeliever 4
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Otureach and Discipleship
Gerry Stoltzfoos
Alex feels that the greatest need in his area is a general reality check. People need to realize whats important. They need to stop focusing on materialistic fulfillment, just live and be grateful for whatever comes their way. Instead, the pursuit of possessions has become a competition for attention that spawns ridiculous trends that have a strict “subscribe or be ridiculed” policy. Alex does not actively attend any church and does not feel that he has any interests that would make a good sermon topic. I am pretty sure he is, among other things, interested in music and video games. Side note: I think a sermon utilizing video games would reach a mind blowing level of coolness.
Alex thinks people don't attend church because most people think that just saying their a Christian is okay. As for him personally, there is a multitude of reasons why he does not attend. For one, He does not believe in God or that Jesus was his so so he sees no reason for him to attend. Also, after spending a decade of his life growing up in church, he is very disillusioned with the church world. He has seen a world where there is a lot of drama and abundant amounts of blatant hypocrisy. He feels like the church is always asking for money. He also feels like that the church is narrow minded and unwilling to debate and discuss. Basically, he feels that the church has a lot of issues that can be easily avoided by just not going.
Alex would look for a church that was open to challenges and skepticism and could at least attempt to prove its belief system. He doesn't want to go to a place where questioning religion is taboo. He would advise a pastor to be down to earth, approachable and personal. Get to know people. Answer their questions. Debate with them. Listen to them. Encourage people to think for themselves and be open to challenges of Christianity. He feels that encouraging people to think for themselves is one of the most helpful things anyone can do.
I'm sorry this is over the limit but I really enjoyed this interview and wish I could have included more
For anyone interested I can send you the email with his original answers...really good , honest stuff from a person who is burned by church .
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Otureach and Discipleship
Gerry Stoltzfoos
Alex feels that the greatest need in his area is a general reality check. People need to realize whats important. They need to stop focusing on materialistic fulfillment, just live and be grateful for whatever comes their way. Instead, the pursuit of possessions has become a competition for attention that spawns ridiculous trends that have a strict “subscribe or be ridiculed” policy. Alex does not actively attend any church and does not feel that he has any interests that would make a good sermon topic. I am pretty sure he is, among other things, interested in music and video games. Side note: I think a sermon utilizing video games would reach a mind blowing level of coolness.
Alex thinks people don't attend church because most people think that just saying their a Christian is okay. As for him personally, there is a multitude of reasons why he does not attend. For one, He does not believe in God or that Jesus was his so so he sees no reason for him to attend. Also, after spending a decade of his life growing up in church, he is very disillusioned with the church world. He has seen a world where there is a lot of drama and abundant amounts of blatant hypocrisy. He feels like the church is always asking for money. He also feels like that the church is narrow minded and unwilling to debate and discuss. Basically, he feels that the church has a lot of issues that can be easily avoided by just not going.
Alex would look for a church that was open to challenges and skepticism and could at least attempt to prove its belief system. He doesn't want to go to a place where questioning religion is taboo. He would advise a pastor to be down to earth, approachable and personal. Get to know people. Answer their questions. Debate with them. Listen to them. Encourage people to think for themselves and be open to challenges of Christianity. He feels that encouraging people to think for themselves is one of the most helpful things anyone can do.
I'm sorry this is over the limit but I really enjoyed this interview and wish I could have included more
For anyone interested I can send you the email with his original answers...really good , honest stuff from a person who is burned by church .
Thursday, April 2, 2009
David Kennard
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
4/02/2009
When I think about small group ministry, I think of a group meeting in a house and discussing Bible passages relating to the theme of the small group. Honestly I have never really viewed that as very exciting except for in a couple special cases. David expanded my definition. He said that his small groups are basically groups that just do things together. For example, a group of men would play tennis together every Wednesday. The main purpose at the group in the beginning is to have a fun time doing something you love. But there is an underlying motive behind it all. There is an intentional purpose in that the gospel will definitely be brought up in conversation at some point by one of the facilitators of the small group. Basically, spirituality is not a must every time. The leaders build relationship and then move to the important stuff. This seems like a cool idea and I may implement this model some day when I am helping to run a church. I never really viewed small groups as evangelical in nature and always viewed them as a discipleship tool. David's model allows for both and I think that is a great thing.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
4/02/2009
When I think about small group ministry, I think of a group meeting in a house and discussing Bible passages relating to the theme of the small group. Honestly I have never really viewed that as very exciting except for in a couple special cases. David expanded my definition. He said that his small groups are basically groups that just do things together. For example, a group of men would play tennis together every Wednesday. The main purpose at the group in the beginning is to have a fun time doing something you love. But there is an underlying motive behind it all. There is an intentional purpose in that the gospel will definitely be brought up in conversation at some point by one of the facilitators of the small group. Basically, spirituality is not a must every time. The leaders build relationship and then move to the important stuff. This seems like a cool idea and I may implement this model some day when I am helping to run a church. I never really viewed small groups as evangelical in nature and always viewed them as a discipleship tool. David's model allows for both and I think that is a great thing.
Monday, March 30, 2009
Unchurched Friend #3
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/30/2009
Unchurched Friend
Name: CJ
Occupation and Lifestyle: Student living at home
CJ feels that the greatest need in his area is something for the kids to do. It should be noted that the term“kid” encompasses anyone one still in the local school district. He feels that he lives in a boring town in which kids just hang out at home and have nothing interesting to do. The closest place for people to hang out is the Deptford Mall, which is twenty minutes away. Basically, the greatest need he can think of is the need for more youth friendly recreation. A Church with vision for this sort of thing could provide for this need in an incredible way. Some kind of youth center with an after school program could fill this need incredibly well.
CJ is interested in many different things. Among these are serious things like economics and war and less serious things like video games, technology and Football. He thinks that most people don't attend church because they are too busy with other things. He personally doesn't attend because he can work on Sunday and make more money per hour. Because of this, he works as much as he can on Sundays. This is quite a change from the world my mother grew up in were everything was closed on Sundays. If CJ were to look or a church to attend, he would look for a relevant, concise, and engaging service in a church that is well connected to the community. His advice to Pastors is that they would make themselves available and easily contactable. He also recommends that they lead their congregations in serving the community well. If he is going to ask his people to do service projects, he should be out serving right alongside them. I think this is such a good leadership point that we should all remember.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/30/2009
Unchurched Friend
Name: CJ
Occupation and Lifestyle: Student living at home
CJ feels that the greatest need in his area is something for the kids to do. It should be noted that the term“kid” encompasses anyone one still in the local school district. He feels that he lives in a boring town in which kids just hang out at home and have nothing interesting to do. The closest place for people to hang out is the Deptford Mall, which is twenty minutes away. Basically, the greatest need he can think of is the need for more youth friendly recreation. A Church with vision for this sort of thing could provide for this need in an incredible way. Some kind of youth center with an after school program could fill this need incredibly well.
CJ is interested in many different things. Among these are serious things like economics and war and less serious things like video games, technology and Football. He thinks that most people don't attend church because they are too busy with other things. He personally doesn't attend because he can work on Sunday and make more money per hour. Because of this, he works as much as he can on Sundays. This is quite a change from the world my mother grew up in were everything was closed on Sundays. If CJ were to look or a church to attend, he would look for a relevant, concise, and engaging service in a church that is well connected to the community. His advice to Pastors is that they would make themselves available and easily contactable. He also recommends that they lead their congregations in serving the community well. If he is going to ask his people to do service projects, he should be out serving right alongside them. I think this is such a good leadership point that we should all remember.
Thursday, March 26, 2009
Church Rater #2
The Church
What Church did you visit?
Foursquare Church in Gettysburg
What city or town is this Church located?
Gettysburg, PA
What date and service did you attend?
March 15th 11:15 service
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Great experience and excellent hospitality. I felt very welcome and i found the service interesting. I was taking a lot of notes until m laptop died
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 4 Friendliness 5 Singing 3 Preaching 5
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find?
not at all, i honestly found there parking lot kind of by accident. If i would not have called and gotten landmark based directions i would have been done. I even called Daniel and Charity to make sure they didn't get lost.
Was it difficult to find parking?
not really. I had to park kind of far away but there was basically one parking lot and that was that. I think i found a spot my first time around. I was early.
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently?
I would try to make it clear if there was any small groups going on during service.I saw signs for stuff but i wasn't sure if these signs were just always up and used for other nights or if i was supposed to utilize them and go to a group that fit my interest. I saw a sign for youth and a sign for men. The sanctuary was easy to find and i don't remember if there was a sign. Better marking of the main entrance would have been nice. I only assumed based on where i saw the greeter and where i saw people coming in and out of.
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building communicate to you?
It seemed laid back and small. It didn't really communicate anything that i remember. It didn't look like a church but i knew it was one. I assumed they were kind of like us at freedom valley and i can expect to meet the same type of people. The building didn't cause any assumptions. The size of the building indicated to me that it was a small church.
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway?
yes
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
It was cool. I felt like he was really interested to know me but i thought he excitement died down after he realized i was a one time visitor. However, i felt very welcome and comfortable because everyone was ready to answer questions
Can you share their names?
mark
Did you know them before the visit?
talked to him on the phone on my way over
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went through your mind? It was a lot like Freedom Valley. People just seemed to be there to hang out and learn more about God. Everyone felt very relaxed. Nothing really stuck out as their religious thing. It felt like a service i have been to before. People were greeting each other and enjoying fellowship. It was cool, welcoming and comnfortable.
Were you able to understand why they do what they do?
yes, it was just a small protestant evangelical church. Felt very normal for me
Do they seem sincere? from what i saw yes. everybody was into what they were doing and it didn't feel fake. I was sitting near the front though
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the liturgy, program or flow of the service)
I thought it flowed well. Like i have said, i never felt awkward. It had a chilled out feel as if they weren't too worried about strict scheduling. It flowed very naturally and was full of down to earth communication by the pastor
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive?
no, all of it was helpful
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication part of it- the bulletin especially? nothing really comes to mind. I guess i would use less colors in the bulletin or print in ink the this weeks homework section. I thought the bulletin was good though. I wish it would have had more descriptions of what was going on though
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for anything)
yes. the pastor went through them. I remember being interested in a men's breakfast
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly? i didnt notice either way
Did you bring any children with you to the service? no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? good, not as energetic as i like but pretty fun and sincere. I didn't know a couple songs
Did you enjoy any of it?
yes except for the songs i didnt know
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yes. I did. Especially during shout to the lord. I love that song and i really worshiped and connected with God
How was it different from what you are used to? It was quieter and had an electronic drumset. It was much more chill than what i am used to.
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often? sometimes
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service? they were sincere and free form. I really thought they were cool and honest prayers to God
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that church might think of people, or of God? They deeply care about people and their relationship with God. They ask for a deep connection of the people to God. they have a similar view of God as i do. They probably encourage sincere prayers and honest communion with God. They veiw God as a loving father that gives grace and deserves true worship.
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yes
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yes. he seemed nice and like he was well educated and able to engage in interesting conversation. I feel like i could learn a lot about God and life from him. Also, i think he could recommend some good books.
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending? engaged, sincere, professional, educated and humble
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk? yes. I found myself thinking again about the concept of bringing sacrifice into worship. I liked the comparison between the fellowship offering and worship. I also thought about the idea of worshiping in every little thing i do
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
maybe tell more stories or give more examples of how you worship with your life. Give examples of times he has used his life to worship.
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to the talk: Enjoyable, Thought-provoking, Relevant, Credible, Humorous, Useful, funny,
i used my old church rater because i cant find the original...so this above section is as good as i can do.
The Message
What was the main idea of the message? worship
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking? worship God in everything i do and understand that all parts of my life are acts of worship
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention? yes, i felt very engaged and i was taking notes
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way? The talk about worship was very interesting and the quotes from books were thought provoking. Some of his jokes about his laziness were nearly offensive. He talked of how he goes home after church and doesnt help his wife with anything and how she does all of it on Sunday afternoons
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her presentation?
as i said: more stories more examples. A little bit more concise teaching. He taught on a lot of stuff and i am not sure i remember most of it. You HAVE to take notes.
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught? yes, i always want to worship with all of my life
Do you understand God or people better because of it? i now understand that he idea of fellowship offering has been carried over in the way of worship...does my worship look like a sacrifice for fellowship? I love learning about the similarities between how God worked with Israelites and how he works with us
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ? yes, i want to be educated and be able to apply books and scripture and old testament types that way.
What Church did you visit?
Foursquare Church in Gettysburg
What city or town is this Church located?
Gettysburg, PA
What date and service did you attend?
March 15th 11:15 service
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Great experience and excellent hospitality. I felt very welcome and i found the service interesting. I was taking a lot of notes until m laptop died
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 4 Friendliness 5 Singing 3 Preaching 5
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find?
not at all, i honestly found there parking lot kind of by accident. If i would not have called and gotten landmark based directions i would have been done. I even called Daniel and Charity to make sure they didn't get lost.
Was it difficult to find parking?
not really. I had to park kind of far away but there was basically one parking lot and that was that. I think i found a spot my first time around. I was early.
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently?
I would try to make it clear if there was any small groups going on during service.I saw signs for stuff but i wasn't sure if these signs were just always up and used for other nights or if i was supposed to utilize them and go to a group that fit my interest. I saw a sign for youth and a sign for men. The sanctuary was easy to find and i don't remember if there was a sign. Better marking of the main entrance would have been nice. I only assumed based on where i saw the greeter and where i saw people coming in and out of.
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building communicate to you?
It seemed laid back and small. It didn't really communicate anything that i remember. It didn't look like a church but i knew it was one. I assumed they were kind of like us at freedom valley and i can expect to meet the same type of people. The building didn't cause any assumptions. The size of the building indicated to me that it was a small church.
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway?
yes
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
It was cool. I felt like he was really interested to know me but i thought he excitement died down after he realized i was a one time visitor. However, i felt very welcome and comfortable because everyone was ready to answer questions
Can you share their names?
mark
Did you know them before the visit?
talked to him on the phone on my way over
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went through your mind? It was a lot like Freedom Valley. People just seemed to be there to hang out and learn more about God. Everyone felt very relaxed. Nothing really stuck out as their religious thing. It felt like a service i have been to before. People were greeting each other and enjoying fellowship. It was cool, welcoming and comnfortable.
Were you able to understand why they do what they do?
yes, it was just a small protestant evangelical church. Felt very normal for me
Do they seem sincere? from what i saw yes. everybody was into what they were doing and it didn't feel fake. I was sitting near the front though
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the liturgy, program or flow of the service)
I thought it flowed well. Like i have said, i never felt awkward. It had a chilled out feel as if they weren't too worried about strict scheduling. It flowed very naturally and was full of down to earth communication by the pastor
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive?
no, all of it was helpful
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication part of it- the bulletin especially? nothing really comes to mind. I guess i would use less colors in the bulletin or print in ink the this weeks homework section. I thought the bulletin was good though. I wish it would have had more descriptions of what was going on though
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for anything)
yes. the pastor went through them. I remember being interested in a men's breakfast
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly? i didnt notice either way
Did you bring any children with you to the service? no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? good, not as energetic as i like but pretty fun and sincere. I didn't know a couple songs
Did you enjoy any of it?
yes except for the songs i didnt know
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yes. I did. Especially during shout to the lord. I love that song and i really worshiped and connected with God
How was it different from what you are used to? It was quieter and had an electronic drumset. It was much more chill than what i am used to.
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often? sometimes
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service? they were sincere and free form. I really thought they were cool and honest prayers to God
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that church might think of people, or of God? They deeply care about people and their relationship with God. They ask for a deep connection of the people to God. they have a similar view of God as i do. They probably encourage sincere prayers and honest communion with God. They veiw God as a loving father that gives grace and deserves true worship.
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yes
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yes. he seemed nice and like he was well educated and able to engage in interesting conversation. I feel like i could learn a lot about God and life from him. Also, i think he could recommend some good books.
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending? engaged, sincere, professional, educated and humble
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk? yes. I found myself thinking again about the concept of bringing sacrifice into worship. I liked the comparison between the fellowship offering and worship. I also thought about the idea of worshiping in every little thing i do
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
maybe tell more stories or give more examples of how you worship with your life. Give examples of times he has used his life to worship.
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to the talk: Enjoyable, Thought-provoking, Relevant, Credible, Humorous, Useful, funny,
i used my old church rater because i cant find the original...so this above section is as good as i can do.
The Message
What was the main idea of the message? worship
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking? worship God in everything i do and understand that all parts of my life are acts of worship
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention? yes, i felt very engaged and i was taking notes
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way? The talk about worship was very interesting and the quotes from books were thought provoking. Some of his jokes about his laziness were nearly offensive. He talked of how he goes home after church and doesnt help his wife with anything and how she does all of it on Sunday afternoons
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her presentation?
as i said: more stories more examples. A little bit more concise teaching. He taught on a lot of stuff and i am not sure i remember most of it. You HAVE to take notes.
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught? yes, i always want to worship with all of my life
Do you understand God or people better because of it? i now understand that he idea of fellowship offering has been carried over in the way of worship...does my worship look like a sacrifice for fellowship? I love learning about the similarities between how God worked with Israelites and how he works with us
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ? yes, i want to be educated and be able to apply books and scripture and old testament types that way.
Jason Lamer
ttp://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
March 26th 2009
Jason's discussion on pride opened by saying that a struggle of leaders is thinking of yourself higher than you should. I struggle with this. I tend to care about myself and think of myself to highly. This leads to a level of pride that I don't like and I find that the concept of “pride leads to permission” manifest itself in my life sometimes. Jason at one point said that there has to be death to have real life. Life giving ministers need to die to themselves daily. Death to self is the opposite of pride. I want to be life giving, so I'd better start dying. Jason defends against pride by putting himself around people who don't give praise easily,maintaining a daily prayer life, and keeping accountability partners who are willing to ask the tough questions. I hope to implement these things into my own struggle with pride.
His discussion on how he balances family and ministry was very interesting. He involves them in his ministry in every way that he can. Also, he makes a point to always get his family devotions in in some way. He views his family as in ministry with him. I really like this perspective and hope that my wife and our kids can all be ministers together.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
March 26th 2009
Jason's discussion on pride opened by saying that a struggle of leaders is thinking of yourself higher than you should. I struggle with this. I tend to care about myself and think of myself to highly. This leads to a level of pride that I don't like and I find that the concept of “pride leads to permission” manifest itself in my life sometimes. Jason at one point said that there has to be death to have real life. Life giving ministers need to die to themselves daily. Death to self is the opposite of pride. I want to be life giving, so I'd better start dying. Jason defends against pride by putting himself around people who don't give praise easily,maintaining a daily prayer life, and keeping accountability partners who are willing to ask the tough questions. I hope to implement these things into my own struggle with pride.
His discussion on how he balances family and ministry was very interesting. He involves them in his ministry in every way that he can. Also, he makes a point to always get his family devotions in in some way. He views his family as in ministry with him. I really like this perspective and hope that my wife and our kids can all be ministers together.
Thursday, March 19, 2009
New Believer #2
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/12/2009
Evan
Gettysburg Master's Student
Evan was raised in church for 19 years, but he never really owned his faith until March 22nd of 2008. He didn't really get church and it was more of a social gathering for him. After high school, he”went nuts” and really walked away from a Godly lifestyle. He did not find satisfaction in his new habits and choices. He became fed up with what the world had to offer and he wanted more. He knew that Jesus was the right way from his upbringing and he decided to get back into church. His choices led him to a youth revival service where he gave his heart back to the Lord.
For Evan, the best part of being a Christ follower has been being able to find real satisfaction and being happy with himself at the same time. He no longer has to feel guilty about the way he is living. He noted that it makes it easier to live the right way when you are finding satisfaction in it. The most challenging part for him was fully getting out of his old lifestyle. After Salvation, he still had a lot of unredeemed friends and being around them made it difficult not to fall back into his old patterns.
The thing that has helped him the most has been Master's Commission. As a student at MC, he is constantly immersed in God. Actually, he has lived most of his Christian life while in Master's. As far as advice, Evan offers this: Be a studier of scripture. Don't just take what others say as fact, find out what it means to be a Christian through your own study. Be a Borean. I believe this is advice we should all take to heart. Anything we hear about God should spark study on our part so that we can deeply understand God for ourselves.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/12/2009
Evan
Gettysburg Master's Student
Evan was raised in church for 19 years, but he never really owned his faith until March 22nd of 2008. He didn't really get church and it was more of a social gathering for him. After high school, he”went nuts” and really walked away from a Godly lifestyle. He did not find satisfaction in his new habits and choices. He became fed up with what the world had to offer and he wanted more. He knew that Jesus was the right way from his upbringing and he decided to get back into church. His choices led him to a youth revival service where he gave his heart back to the Lord.
For Evan, the best part of being a Christ follower has been being able to find real satisfaction and being happy with himself at the same time. He no longer has to feel guilty about the way he is living. He noted that it makes it easier to live the right way when you are finding satisfaction in it. The most challenging part for him was fully getting out of his old lifestyle. After Salvation, he still had a lot of unredeemed friends and being around them made it difficult not to fall back into his old patterns.
The thing that has helped him the most has been Master's Commission. As a student at MC, he is constantly immersed in God. Actually, he has lived most of his Christian life while in Master's. As far as advice, Evan offers this: Be a studier of scripture. Don't just take what others say as fact, find out what it means to be a Christian through your own study. Be a Borean. I believe this is advice we should all take to heart. Anything we hear about God should spark study on our part so that we can deeply understand God for ourselves.
Nick Poole
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/19/2009
Church Planting is a movement that is becoming a sort of fad in church circles. Everybody in the Church as a body that is “progressive” seems to want to either plant a church personally or set up a church planting factory. This is incredibly understandable. God is moving in church planting and he is using leaders like Nick Poole and others to lead the charge.
Nick helped me to rethink some of my ideas about church planting. One of the most memorable things that he talked about was the reasons not to plant a church. He told of how some people want to plant a church because they want to do church cooler. They want to redefine church so that it fits them perfectly. We should not do such things. Church plants are about the people they are reaching, not the leader. Although this seems obvious, I had to check myself and make sure that my desires to maybe plant a church are not rooted in a desire to please myself with my church. It is not about me. I love when these interviews leave me checking my motives and thoughts. Nick Poole helped me to do some introspection and I appreciate it.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/19/2009
Church Planting is a movement that is becoming a sort of fad in church circles. Everybody in the Church as a body that is “progressive” seems to want to either plant a church personally or set up a church planting factory. This is incredibly understandable. God is moving in church planting and he is using leaders like Nick Poole and others to lead the charge.
Nick helped me to rethink some of my ideas about church planting. One of the most memorable things that he talked about was the reasons not to plant a church. He told of how some people want to plant a church because they want to do church cooler. They want to redefine church so that it fits them perfectly. We should not do such things. Church plants are about the people they are reaching, not the leader. Although this seems obvious, I had to check myself and make sure that my desires to maybe plant a church are not rooted in a desire to please myself with my church. It is not about me. I love when these interviews leave me checking my motives and thoughts. Nick Poole helped me to do some introspection and I appreciate it.
Thursday, March 12, 2009
Brian and Angie Bolt
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/12/2009
Brian and Angie Bolt are doing an incredible ministry to the inner city of Pittsburgh. They are pulling people off the streets and putting them into homes where they are discipled. However, I knew about all of this before the interview. The thing I learned from Brian and Angie during the interview was ideas for how I should act when I am traveling and preaching at churches. He helped me to see that I should do my best to serve the pastors that bring me in.
Brian told of how he tries to serve pastors when he comes in. He ministers to the needs of the pastor who is paying him. This causes him to be a person that people want to book. It also helps out pastors that are in the trenches fighting every day. Great preachers are a dime a dozen but great servants seem to be few and far between. Maybe this is why Jesus said the workers are few. Those who are really ready to get their hands dirty and serve despite their “position” are rare. Traveling preachers need to be those rare people if they want to be someone who pastors want to book. God, help me to be that kind of person. I want to leave pastors energized and excited for ministry.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/12/2009
Brian and Angie Bolt are doing an incredible ministry to the inner city of Pittsburgh. They are pulling people off the streets and putting them into homes where they are discipled. However, I knew about all of this before the interview. The thing I learned from Brian and Angie during the interview was ideas for how I should act when I am traveling and preaching at churches. He helped me to see that I should do my best to serve the pastors that bring me in.
Brian told of how he tries to serve pastors when he comes in. He ministers to the needs of the pastor who is paying him. This causes him to be a person that people want to book. It also helps out pastors that are in the trenches fighting every day. Great preachers are a dime a dozen but great servants seem to be few and far between. Maybe this is why Jesus said the workers are few. Those who are really ready to get their hands dirty and serve despite their “position” are rare. Traveling preachers need to be those rare people if they want to be someone who pastors want to book. God, help me to be that kind of person. I want to leave pastors energized and excited for ministry.
Unchurched friend #2
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/24/2009
Interviewee profile
Name: Sean
Occupation: Student
Lifestyle: Lives in suburb and attends community college.
Sean felt that the greatest need in his area was diversity. He feels that his area needs more places where there can be a free flow of ideas and cultures and where all people can feel comfortable just being themselves without being worried about what kind of criticisms may come. He wants to see more things where people of different backgrounds and ideologies can come together in unity. Shouldn't the church provide a place like this? Not to say that we bend on our beliefs but that we lovingly accept others where they are.
Sean is interested in such issues as the economy, civil rights, football and traveling. He feels that most people do not attend because of the time factor. They feel that it takes up too much of their Sunday to be worth the time. He feels that people just want to relax on Sunday. They don't want to take several hours of their day to go to church. I can understand that. Sometimes I feel that way too! Let's pray that these type of people realize the importance of a relationship with Christ and his body.
In looking for a church, some of the things that would turn Sean off are close-mindedness, bigotry, and fanaticism. He feels that the church needs to keep an open mind and act like they have made mistakes before. He also thinks that people have private relationships with God and don't need to act fanatical and crazy to express that. I have a feeling that the 11:15 service would turn him off.
As far as what he looks for in Pastors. He want a pastor to be down to earth, open minded and honest about his flaws. He also thinks that pastors would get to know people before they try to fix them. I think this is a good point and we should all remember it in ministry.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/24/2009
Interviewee profile
Name: Sean
Occupation: Student
Lifestyle: Lives in suburb and attends community college.
Sean felt that the greatest need in his area was diversity. He feels that his area needs more places where there can be a free flow of ideas and cultures and where all people can feel comfortable just being themselves without being worried about what kind of criticisms may come. He wants to see more things where people of different backgrounds and ideologies can come together in unity. Shouldn't the church provide a place like this? Not to say that we bend on our beliefs but that we lovingly accept others where they are.
Sean is interested in such issues as the economy, civil rights, football and traveling. He feels that most people do not attend because of the time factor. They feel that it takes up too much of their Sunday to be worth the time. He feels that people just want to relax on Sunday. They don't want to take several hours of their day to go to church. I can understand that. Sometimes I feel that way too! Let's pray that these type of people realize the importance of a relationship with Christ and his body.
In looking for a church, some of the things that would turn Sean off are close-mindedness, bigotry, and fanaticism. He feels that the church needs to keep an open mind and act like they have made mistakes before. He also thinks that people have private relationships with God and don't need to act fanatical and crazy to express that. I have a feeling that the 11:15 service would turn him off.
As far as what he looks for in Pastors. He want a pastor to be down to earth, open minded and honest about his flaws. He also thinks that pastors would get to know people before they try to fix them. I think this is a good point and we should all remember it in ministry.
Thursday, March 5, 2009
Mike Hammer (such a cool name)
Mike Hammer is doing a unique ministry. He is encouraging openness in a way I was pretty sure isn't possible and it's awesome. However, he is still growing and learning and he is open abut that.
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/05/2009
The openness of this man was incredible. He has managed to create an open, accepting, okay to be yourself atmosphere. His church almost sounds like a group therapy session where people can bring the ugly stuff. I brought this up to him and he didn't seem to feel like it made him special but I disagree. He grows people on an individual, real level and that is something to be admired .
He also encouraged me in the allowance for ministries to be young. He hasn't figured out what his altar calls look like. He is still growing and still learning how to do his church. He has been there for two years and is doing great ministry. That is so encouraging! I often get discouraged as Daniel and I develop Simple Youth because I just see where we could be and all the reasons we are not there. But I need not be discouraged because we are still learning. We are only eight months old. I kind of let myself off the hook because of Mike Hammer. So thank you Mike.
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/05/2009
The openness of this man was incredible. He has managed to create an open, accepting, okay to be yourself atmosphere. His church almost sounds like a group therapy session where people can bring the ugly stuff. I brought this up to him and he didn't seem to feel like it made him special but I disagree. He grows people on an individual, real level and that is something to be admired .
He also encouraged me in the allowance for ministries to be young. He hasn't figured out what his altar calls look like. He is still growing and still learning how to do his church. He has been there for two years and is doing great ministry. That is so encouraging! I often get discouraged as Daniel and I develop Simple Youth because I just see where we could be and all the reasons we are not there. But I need not be discouraged because we are still learning. We are only eight months old. I kind of let myself off the hook because of Mike Hammer. So thank you Mike.
Thursday, February 26, 2009
Sam Masteller
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/26/2009
Sam affected the way I will preach the gospel in the future. He seemed to have his ministry focused on one major element: cultural relevance.
I like the idea of focusing on cultural relevance. Sam asked an interesting question: Why don't we view America as a mission field? In any other missions endeavor, we would study the people, engage the culture and do our absolute best to make the gospel understandable and relevant. Why haven't we done this in America? No missionary to America would do ministry the way the church does it. The American church seems to take a pride in being a separate entity from culture. It shouldn't be this way. Jesus connected with people in their culture. We have to do the same. As Sam said, we must “use what is cultural to convey what is timeless.” Sam told of how he connects with people by telling relevant stories. It seems that he takes life and brings the Bible into the situation that he paints. This connects with non believers in that they can relate to what is being said. After this relation happens, you need to only add the spiritual implications. I think that is so cool and will definitely try to tell more stories when I preach in the future.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/26/2009
Sam affected the way I will preach the gospel in the future. He seemed to have his ministry focused on one major element: cultural relevance.
I like the idea of focusing on cultural relevance. Sam asked an interesting question: Why don't we view America as a mission field? In any other missions endeavor, we would study the people, engage the culture and do our absolute best to make the gospel understandable and relevant. Why haven't we done this in America? No missionary to America would do ministry the way the church does it. The American church seems to take a pride in being a separate entity from culture. It shouldn't be this way. Jesus connected with people in their culture. We have to do the same. As Sam said, we must “use what is cultural to convey what is timeless.” Sam told of how he connects with people by telling relevant stories. It seems that he takes life and brings the Bible into the situation that he paints. This connects with non believers in that they can relate to what is being said. After this relation happens, you need to only add the spiritual implications. I think that is so cool and will definitely try to tell more stories when I preach in the future.
Thursday, February 19, 2009
Speaker Response:Wes Shortridge
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/19/2009
Wes Shortridge really challenged my thinking and ot me thinking about some new ideas.
Primarily I found myself challenged by the idea of leadership building. I realized for the first time that high level leadership is often defined by how well you take yourself out of the limelight. Replacing myself scares me to be quite honest. I am afraid there will be no where to go when I have replaced myself effectively. This always makes me afraid because I often wonder how I will develop personally if I give my spot away. This is something I am really grappling with and I am so glad Wes brought it back to the front of my mind.
I have pondered heavily this idea of being saved into a community and I actually agree with the it. When we are saved, we become part of the Body of Christ. I don't think you can do one without the other. If the limb stays disconnected from the body, it will die. I think it is the same way with Christ's body. I am pretty sure I have thought this before but Wes really helped me to formulate the idea into words. I greatly appreciated Wes' fresh treatment of and ideas on ministry.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/19/2009
Wes Shortridge really challenged my thinking and ot me thinking about some new ideas.
Primarily I found myself challenged by the idea of leadership building. I realized for the first time that high level leadership is often defined by how well you take yourself out of the limelight. Replacing myself scares me to be quite honest. I am afraid there will be no where to go when I have replaced myself effectively. This always makes me afraid because I often wonder how I will develop personally if I give my spot away. This is something I am really grappling with and I am so glad Wes brought it back to the front of my mind.
I have pondered heavily this idea of being saved into a community and I actually agree with the it. When we are saved, we become part of the Body of Christ. I don't think you can do one without the other. If the limb stays disconnected from the body, it will die. I think it is the same way with Christ's body. I am pretty sure I have thought this before but Wes really helped me to formulate the idea into words. I greatly appreciated Wes' fresh treatment of and ideas on ministry.
Thursday, February 12, 2009
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/12/2009
Jonatan and Anna.
I am actually very upset that I was unable to attend this class. I am currently being taught by God that compassion is everything. I really have to learn to care about people and love/care/talk/listen without and agenda. The ministry of Jonatan and Anna helped me to see this even more. These two people deeply care for others and it has made a difference. All successful ministry must be genuine. It cannot have at his heart a self serving agenda. It cannot have at it's heart a desire for numbers to increase. It cannot have at it's heart a desire for fame. It must be servant hood.
Also, even though they do professional missions work, they really came off as everyday type people. I understand that they have worked hard at portraying this image and I realize that I must do the same. They really made me feel like I could do evangelism. So in that sense I found myself incredibly challenged. Jonatan and Anna clearly do not view themselves as lofty success stories but as everyday people doing the work of Jesus. If we all portrayed this same image, I think the way the world views the church would be radically changed for the better.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/12/2009
Jonatan and Anna.
I am actually very upset that I was unable to attend this class. I am currently being taught by God that compassion is everything. I really have to learn to care about people and love/care/talk/listen without and agenda. The ministry of Jonatan and Anna helped me to see this even more. These two people deeply care for others and it has made a difference. All successful ministry must be genuine. It cannot have at his heart a self serving agenda. It cannot have at it's heart a desire for numbers to increase. It cannot have at it's heart a desire for fame. It must be servant hood.
Also, even though they do professional missions work, they really came off as everyday type people. I understand that they have worked hard at portraying this image and I realize that I must do the same. They really made me feel like I could do evangelism. So in that sense I found myself incredibly challenged. Jonatan and Anna clearly do not view themselves as lofty success stories but as everyday people doing the work of Jesus. If we all portrayed this same image, I think the way the world views the church would be radically changed for the better.
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Church Rater #1
The Church
What Church did you visit?
Bethel Assembly of God
What city or town is this Church located?
Littlestown PA
What date and service did you attend?
February 8th, Evening Service
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Overall good and well rounded church experience. Very energetic without coming off too hip and youthful for an older crowd.
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 4 Friendliness 3 Singing 3 Preaching 5
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find? i followed someone there who knew where they were going so i dont really know...large building, i am being told it was fairly easy to find
Was it difficult to find parking? not at all, i had a good spot
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently? maybe make the main entrance to the building slightly more marked. would probably not known where to go in had i not sen other people going in.
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building communicate to you?
i was very impressed with the layout and size of the building. I like big buildings so i was very excited by the size of the building. the buildings size and impressive construction made me expect good things. Also, the effectiv3e layout made me feel like i was in a professional place. It think the general impression of the building and signage causes you to be very excited and causes you to expect an impressive service.
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway? no one approached me
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
Can you share their names?
Did you know them before the visit?
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went through your mind? it was a lot like FVWC's services so i guess i was kind of doing my church thing to. i just saw everything that was going on as normal. i found myself feeling a little odd about the speakers and pastor staying up on stage. that was the only thing that struck me as different. Overall though, i didn't really notice anything other than how cool it was to see multiple denominations come together.
Were you able to understand why they do what they do? yes, it was similar to what i do with the exceptions noted above.
Do they seem sincere? most yes, others not
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the liturgy, program or flow of the service)
i thought it flowed well, i felt engaged and excited throughout and the ending didn't seem like it dragged on like really good services often do. i appreciated that.
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive?
i didn't get one. I don't know if there was one.
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication part of it- the bulletin especially? i would probably make sure everyone got a bulletin.
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for anything)
i don't remember any announcements...Rachel's blog says something about a slide announcement....didn't notice that. i think i looked at the slides and saw some ministry announcements but i don't remember any so i must have not been interested.
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly? very much so
Did you bring any children with you to the service? no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? a little bit old school for my taste and not a energetic as i like but still very good. I still found myself wanting to participate.
Did you enjoy any of it?
yes. i enjoyed worshiping with everyone.
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yes. I definitely did. I was blown away by the fac that God had made so many denominations able to work together.
How was it different from what you are used to? it was quieter in general with the vocalist spread out across the stage. also the drummer was in a booth. The music was also a little different than what i am used to. older songs.
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often? no
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service? they were planned as connectors between songs. some of them were genuine and very good but the ones during worship felt very planned.
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that church might think of people, or of God? they probably have the same view of God and people as me. all of the longer prayers were offered by swedes. they really just seemed to veiw God as praise worthy and they wanted to connect people with a loving God.
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yes both
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yes. they seem like people with interesting stories and very interesting vies on life
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending? engaged, sincere, professional and humble
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk? yes. I need to ask for forgiveness and forgive people more readily.
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
i really have no suggestions. It was incredible and i was very impressed with Johannes. more than i have been in the past
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to the talk: Enjoyable, Thought-provoking,Relevant, Energetic, Credible, Sad, Humorous, Useful, Life-changing, funny,
The Message
What was the main idea of the message? forgiveness
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking? forgive people and accept forgiveness
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention? yes, i felt very engaged
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way? the stories from his life that he told made the message hit home and really made the message realistically applicable
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her presentation?
i honestly was blown away by the presentation and cant think of one without really trying. maybe...no i really don't know
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught? yes, i will never forget the story about the man that burned his sister
Do you understand God or people better because of it? i understand forgiveness better and i understand how important it is to forgive. I was again reminded of God's grace for me and how he will forgive everyone no matter what. I also better understand the concept of asking for forgiveness.
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ? yes, but it made me feel like i need to get way better.
What Church did you visit?
Bethel Assembly of God
What city or town is this Church located?
Littlestown PA
What date and service did you attend?
February 8th, Evening Service
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Overall good and well rounded church experience. Very energetic without coming off too hip and youthful for an older crowd.
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 4 Friendliness 3 Singing 3 Preaching 5
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find? i followed someone there who knew where they were going so i dont really know...large building, i am being told it was fairly easy to find
Was it difficult to find parking? not at all, i had a good spot
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently? maybe make the main entrance to the building slightly more marked. would probably not known where to go in had i not sen other people going in.
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building communicate to you?
i was very impressed with the layout and size of the building. I like big buildings so i was very excited by the size of the building. the buildings size and impressive construction made me expect good things. Also, the effectiv3e layout made me feel like i was in a professional place. It think the general impression of the building and signage causes you to be very excited and causes you to expect an impressive service.
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway? no one approached me
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
Can you share their names?
Did you know them before the visit?
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went through your mind? it was a lot like FVWC's services so i guess i was kind of doing my church thing to. i just saw everything that was going on as normal. i found myself feeling a little odd about the speakers and pastor staying up on stage. that was the only thing that struck me as different. Overall though, i didn't really notice anything other than how cool it was to see multiple denominations come together.
Were you able to understand why they do what they do? yes, it was similar to what i do with the exceptions noted above.
Do they seem sincere? most yes, others not
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the liturgy, program or flow of the service)
i thought it flowed well, i felt engaged and excited throughout and the ending didn't seem like it dragged on like really good services often do. i appreciated that.
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive?
i didn't get one. I don't know if there was one.
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication part of it- the bulletin especially? i would probably make sure everyone got a bulletin.
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for anything)
i don't remember any announcements...Rachel's blog says something about a slide announcement....didn't notice that. i think i looked at the slides and saw some ministry announcements but i don't remember any so i must have not been interested.
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly? very much so
Did you bring any children with you to the service? no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? a little bit old school for my taste and not a energetic as i like but still very good. I still found myself wanting to participate.
Did you enjoy any of it?
yes. i enjoyed worshiping with everyone.
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yes. I definitely did. I was blown away by the fac that God had made so many denominations able to work together.
How was it different from what you are used to? it was quieter in general with the vocalist spread out across the stage. also the drummer was in a booth. The music was also a little different than what i am used to. older songs.
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often? no
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service? they were planned as connectors between songs. some of them were genuine and very good but the ones during worship felt very planned.
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that church might think of people, or of God? they probably have the same view of God and people as me. all of the longer prayers were offered by swedes. they really just seemed to veiw God as praise worthy and they wanted to connect people with a loving God.
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yes both
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yes. they seem like people with interesting stories and very interesting vies on life
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending? engaged, sincere, professional and humble
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk? yes. I need to ask for forgiveness and forgive people more readily.
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
i really have no suggestions. It was incredible and i was very impressed with Johannes. more than i have been in the past
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to the talk: Enjoyable, Thought-provoking,Relevant, Energetic, Credible, Sad, Humorous, Useful, Life-changing, funny,
The Message
What was the main idea of the message? forgiveness
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking? forgive people and accept forgiveness
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention? yes, i felt very engaged
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way? the stories from his life that he told made the message hit home and really made the message realistically applicable
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her presentation?
i honestly was blown away by the presentation and cant think of one without really trying. maybe...no i really don't know
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught? yes, i will never forget the story about the man that burned his sister
Do you understand God or people better because of it? i understand forgiveness better and i understand how important it is to forgive. I was again reminded of God's grace for me and how he will forgive everyone no matter what. I also better understand the concept of asking for forgiveness.
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ? yes, but it made me feel like i need to get way better.
Thursday, February 5, 2009
New Believer Interview #1
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/05/2009
Mark seemed to have the type of story you often hear. It was the end of the story that was amazingly remarkable. You see we often hear stories of people who come to faith as a young age only to run away when they grow up, never to return again. But Mark's story is different.
When asked how he came to faith in Christ, he responded by saying that he actually came back to Christ. He had gone to church as a child but rebelled from the Faith as a teen. Just four months ago, Mark came to a saving knowledge of Jesus and it has changed his life.
When asked what the best part of becoming a Christian was, he said it has been finding the rest and peace of God. However, the most challenging part has been forsaking old friendships and making new ones. These answers seem to be pretty true across the board. I personally wonder if we are on to something.
The thing that has helped him grow in his faith is the wonderful people that Christ has put around him. In this we see the huge value of relationships with new believers. Whether or not we start those relationships could be a matter of life and death.
Finally, the thing we can do to help new believers is build relationships with them and simply be there for them. This is so easy and we definitely should make it common practice with new believers.
In closing, I think Mark's story helps us to see the importance of a couple major things. First of all, the effect of a Christian parent is what really made him choose Jesus. Parents, bring your kids to church. You might radically change their lives. Secondly, relationships are key. We must build them with new believers an help them down this hard road.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/05/2009
Mark seemed to have the type of story you often hear. It was the end of the story that was amazingly remarkable. You see we often hear stories of people who come to faith as a young age only to run away when they grow up, never to return again. But Mark's story is different.
When asked how he came to faith in Christ, he responded by saying that he actually came back to Christ. He had gone to church as a child but rebelled from the Faith as a teen. Just four months ago, Mark came to a saving knowledge of Jesus and it has changed his life.
When asked what the best part of becoming a Christian was, he said it has been finding the rest and peace of God. However, the most challenging part has been forsaking old friendships and making new ones. These answers seem to be pretty true across the board. I personally wonder if we are on to something.
The thing that has helped him grow in his faith is the wonderful people that Christ has put around him. In this we see the huge value of relationships with new believers. Whether or not we start those relationships could be a matter of life and death.
Finally, the thing we can do to help new believers is build relationships with them and simply be there for them. This is so easy and we definitely should make it common practice with new believers.
In closing, I think Mark's story helps us to see the importance of a couple major things. First of all, the effect of a Christian parent is what really made him choose Jesus. Parents, bring your kids to church. You might radically change their lives. Secondly, relationships are key. We must build them with new believers an help them down this hard road.
Jan Workman - Transforming Kids
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/05/2009
Jan Workman is a Children's Pastor at Christian Life Assembly in Camp Hill, PA. After our recent interview with her. I found myself challenged deeply and inspired to better my own ministry.
The major concept that blew my mind with Jan was that she did not feel called to Children's Ministry. She responded to a need and turned out to be incredible. Wow! I will apply this when I see a need that I could fill that I don't feel matches up well with my calling. In doing so, I may find my true commission of service.
The ways in which Jan challenged me in my own ministry (youth) was in the ways of leadership recruitment and discipleship. I plan on beginning to pray for leaders and ask God to show me people who he has commissioned for Youth. She also encouraged a year by year plan for discipleship that I think would be very helpful if adequately applied to Youth Ministry.
Finally, Jan challenged me in the way I view the accessibility of funds. We serve a God of plenty and he will provide for the work of his hands if we trust him. I need to remember this as I build Bombshelter.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
2/05/2009
Jan Workman is a Children's Pastor at Christian Life Assembly in Camp Hill, PA. After our recent interview with her. I found myself challenged deeply and inspired to better my own ministry.
The major concept that blew my mind with Jan was that she did not feel called to Children's Ministry. She responded to a need and turned out to be incredible. Wow! I will apply this when I see a need that I could fill that I don't feel matches up well with my calling. In doing so, I may find my true commission of service.
The ways in which Jan challenged me in my own ministry (youth) was in the ways of leadership recruitment and discipleship. I plan on beginning to pray for leaders and ask God to show me people who he has commissioned for Youth. She also encouraged a year by year plan for discipleship that I think would be very helpful if adequately applied to Youth Ministry.
Finally, Jan challenged me in the way I view the accessibility of funds. We serve a God of plenty and he will provide for the work of his hands if we trust him. I need to remember this as I build Bombshelter.
Tuesday, January 27, 2009
Unchurched Friend #1
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/24/2009
Interviewee profile
Name: Joe
Occupation: Military
Lifestyle: Working father with two children and a stay at home wife who is attending school
Joey helped me to see how most people who don't attend church feel about the church in general. I think that maybe we have become too good at not worrying about what people think of us. We quickly dismiss people who just don't like the way we do things and say that they are just hard hearted or stubborn. Maybe, but we would do better to examine what we can do better to change the image we put out.
For example, Joey feels that the greatest need in his area is love and good will. This is such a good point. I think almost any area has a desperate need of love in general. I personally wonder how many of my interviewees will repeat this answer. The church needs to respond to this need by meeting temporal needs in the name of Jesus and just being nice. What if it became known that the church as a whole loves helping and caring for people? I understand that we do this already but maybe doing it more regularly would make us known as a body of people who loves helping and caring for people. This might break down the walls around peoples hearts and allow them to hear the gospel.
Another thing that Joey helped me to realize was that the church still needs to work on being an accepting group. He pointed out that open-mindedness and accessibility is incredibly key to reaching out to people. We as a church need to focus like crazy on making sure people feel loved and accepted just as they are.
It seems the old stigmas of how people view the church are not dead. We still at times come off like an aloof and arrogant people that is not meeting real needs. We need to continue to work on redefining our image so that it will not be a stumbling block to future generations.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/24/2009
Interviewee profile
Name: Joe
Occupation: Military
Lifestyle: Working father with two children and a stay at home wife who is attending school
Joey helped me to see how most people who don't attend church feel about the church in general. I think that maybe we have become too good at not worrying about what people think of us. We quickly dismiss people who just don't like the way we do things and say that they are just hard hearted or stubborn. Maybe, but we would do better to examine what we can do better to change the image we put out.
For example, Joey feels that the greatest need in his area is love and good will. This is such a good point. I think almost any area has a desperate need of love in general. I personally wonder how many of my interviewees will repeat this answer. The church needs to respond to this need by meeting temporal needs in the name of Jesus and just being nice. What if it became known that the church as a whole loves helping and caring for people? I understand that we do this already but maybe doing it more regularly would make us known as a body of people who loves helping and caring for people. This might break down the walls around peoples hearts and allow them to hear the gospel.
Another thing that Joey helped me to realize was that the church still needs to work on being an accepting group. He pointed out that open-mindedness and accessibility is incredibly key to reaching out to people. We as a church need to focus like crazy on making sure people feel loved and accepted just as they are.
It seems the old stigmas of how people view the church are not dead. We still at times come off like an aloof and arrogant people that is not meeting real needs. We need to continue to work on redefining our image so that it will not be a stumbling block to future generations.
Saturday, January 24, 2009
Chaplain Will Olsen
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/24/2009
Chaplain Will Olsen serves the religious needs of the prisoners in the Adams County Correctional Facility. He spoke with us about his ministry on the 22nd and it brought about some interesting discussion and an excellent learning experience. On the negative side, I do not feel that Olsen has done enough in presenting the fruit of his ministry. On the positive side, I feel that Olsen has done an excellent job modeling perseverance.
Olsen has not done an affective job advertising the fruit of his ministry. The only medium he has utilizes is word of mouth. I would suggest perhaps a video or a book that documents these amazing testimonies. I feel that he would have a much easier time raising support if he was presenting the fruit of this wonderful ministry in an effective manner.
Olsen has done a very affective job modeling perseverance. Regardless of how fruitless his work may seem at times, he perseveres. Despite the fact that many would say that prisoners are hopelessly lost, he holds firm to the calling God has given him. We would all do well to learn this concept in ministry. Despite how things may look at times, hold tight to what you know your calling is. Let God handle the rest.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/24/2009
Chaplain Will Olsen serves the religious needs of the prisoners in the Adams County Correctional Facility. He spoke with us about his ministry on the 22nd and it brought about some interesting discussion and an excellent learning experience. On the negative side, I do not feel that Olsen has done enough in presenting the fruit of his ministry. On the positive side, I feel that Olsen has done an excellent job modeling perseverance.
Olsen has not done an affective job advertising the fruit of his ministry. The only medium he has utilizes is word of mouth. I would suggest perhaps a video or a book that documents these amazing testimonies. I feel that he would have a much easier time raising support if he was presenting the fruit of this wonderful ministry in an effective manner.
Olsen has done a very affective job modeling perseverance. Regardless of how fruitless his work may seem at times, he perseveres. Despite the fact that many would say that prisoners are hopelessly lost, he holds firm to the calling God has given him. We would all do well to learn this concept in ministry. Despite how things may look at times, hold tight to what you know your calling is. Let God handle the rest.
Monday, January 19, 2009
John Wega
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/18/2009
This week’s guest speaker was John Wega. John is the founder and head officer of the United States Christian Commission, an organization which provided medical care and met temporal needs of soldiers who fought in America’s Wars. John’s specific area of interest with the USCC was their work in the Civil War. He realized that there were untold stories of men of the USCC that had given the services mentioned above during the Civil War. He researched the history and revived the USCC as an organization that tells their story and is evangelical in nature. He tells tourist of a Christian organization in which volunteers gave of themselves and relates it to a story of a Savior who gave of himself. It really is a great ministry.
The most interesting thing about the ministry was that it was mostly history based. Jesus adds the perfect salt to these HISTORICAL stories. Wega has done a tremendous job at meeting people with the Gospel in their element and not forcing non-believers to come into his. My only concern was the shortness of leaders behind this man’s tremendous vision.
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
1/18/2009
This week’s guest speaker was John Wega. John is the founder and head officer of the United States Christian Commission, an organization which provided medical care and met temporal needs of soldiers who fought in America’s Wars. John’s specific area of interest with the USCC was their work in the Civil War. He realized that there were untold stories of men of the USCC that had given the services mentioned above during the Civil War. He researched the history and revived the USCC as an organization that tells their story and is evangelical in nature. He tells tourist of a Christian organization in which volunteers gave of themselves and relates it to a story of a Savior who gave of himself. It really is a great ministry.
The most interesting thing about the ministry was that it was mostly history based. Jesus adds the perfect salt to these HISTORICAL stories. Wega has done a tremendous job at meeting people with the Gospel in their element and not forcing non-believers to come into his. My only concern was the shortness of leaders behind this man’s tremendous vision.
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