Thursday, April 30, 2009
Dave Ramsey
I honestly really like the cocktail of hope that he gave. The first thing to do if you are struggling with hope is get up and do something. Don't just sit back and wait on somebody else to bail you out. There really is something about action that helps a lot. This is useful in evangelism is that we can talk a lot about how upset we are about the moral state of the world and about how the world is spiraling downward and all that and feel very out of control. But we need to get out there and start advancing God's kingdom like he is the king that he is. We can have hope for our world if WE are the ones committed to changing it. The second thing to do is not participate in loser talk. This works for evangelism too. Don't talk to people who are just waiting for the Lord to return and watching as the world gets worse. Talk to people who are changing lives and are serious about changing the world. Talk to people who refuse to accept defeat and you will be encouraged. Thirdly, Dave encouraged people to remember giving. This works for evangelism also. Start giving of yourself. Give of yourself radically. Give your time, your money, your heart, your soul and your mind to seeing the lost saved. If the laws of Sowing and Reaping are true. Great work produces a great harvest. If they aren't, Let's pack up this whole operation called church and go home.
church rater 3
The Church
What Church did you visit?
St Joseph the Worker Parish
What city or town is this Church located?
Bonneville Gettysburg, Pa
What date and service did you attend?
4-30-09 8 AM MAss
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Please provide ratings based on your own experience. Yes, I realize
this is subjective and your '1′ might be someone else's '5′. That's
ok. It's your rating and I really want your opinion.
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 3 Friendliness 4 Singing NA
____________ Preaching 3
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find?
very
Was it difficult to find parking?
no, i had to guess as far as where it was because i needed to find an alley near to the church to get on the back street that lead to the parking lot but i found parking easily
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently?
there were not really any signs i saw. I would probably put a sign out front with the church name, mass times, and "Parking in Rear"
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building
communicate to you?
It looked like a catholic church. It was easy to find and i knew it was a main line denomination church because of the building style
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway?
no, after
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
it was cool, they just said good morning and i said it back. Then the informed me that the Father was going to be coming out so i hung around to talk to him. The second time i went i had a short conversation with a women about what i was doing now and how sh felt that i would eventually come around to being catholic again
Can you share their names?
I don't remember, but she told me twice that her husband was the deacon
Did you know them before the visit?like i said i went twice and apparently i said good morning to her the first time i was there
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went
through your mind?
that i didn't how their liturgy worked and tried to mumble under my breathe to pretend i knew what to say. I was trying to remember anything i could. i thought it was very tradition based
Were you able to understand why they do what they do?
yes. It is how catholic church works. I don't really know why. I mean i can think of the bible verses that they defend their actions with but i don't really know why they do church the way they do church. Like almost any mass you go to anywhere is the same. I don't know why that is.
Do they seem sincere?
i spent the whole time trying to find out. Some seemed very sincere and others did not
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the
liturgy, program or flow of the service)
it is very organized and quick service that is executed with precision. I thought it was well done, organized and traditional
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive? no, not really. i didn't really look at it or read it because i needed to pay attention to the quickly moving service. it had events and all that...pretty good. I thought it was out of date because it said "Third Sunday of Easter." It was this weeks bulletin. They just celebrate easter as a season.
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication
part of it- the bulletin especially?
I would probably include announcements somewhere in the service. Bulletin was pretty good. I think everything was in there that needed to be in there, even though i didn't know the bulletins were bulletins until i looked inside. There were no greeters and no one handing them out and you had to get one out of a bin for yourself. I would change that.
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for
anything)? no announcements
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly?
no
Did you bring any children with you to the service?
no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? non existent except for the chants..i will count them
Did you enjoy any of it? some were interesting
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yeah, whn we were praying for Christ to have mercy i was able to get into that kinda
How was it different from what you are used to?
Oh man, it was chants without music and i am used to rock music
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often?
no
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service?
they were nice but very planned. The plannedness made them poetic but only some of them felt sincere
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that
church might think of people, or of God?
they think everyone should relate to God the same way and they veiw God as a being to be respected and related to properly
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yeah
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yeah , he probably has some interesting views on God and Christianity and i could probably learn a little bit from him
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending?
kind of engaged, it felt like he does this seven days a week
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk?
i was motivated to know God and experience him in a deeper way
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
I wish it would have been longer and clearer. He didn't really spend any time on points. I didn't pay attention for like 30 seconds and i got lost and confused. It was just too short and i didn't get a chance to catch up.
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to
the talk: Enjoyable, , Thought-provoking, Boring, Relevant,
Gloomy, Credible,Useful,
The Message
What was the main idea of the message?
the bread of life and how we grow in experience as we grow in knowledge
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking?
getting to know God in a deeper way
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention?
it did but i got confused. You had to pay attention because otherwise you would totally miss it
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way?
not really
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her
presentation? just talk about less stuff. You only have ten minutes so just talk about one point and repeat yourself a lot. I got confused because it was so quick and content heavy. you can move quick but cover one point well instead of a lot of stuff poorly. I think the subject matter was too deep for the time allotted
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught?
we will grow in experiencing God as we grow in knowing him
Do you understand God or people better because of it?
I understand experiencing God better and i understand why people ( or me) might not experience God in a period of time in their lives
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ?
not really
What Church did you visit?
St Joseph the Worker Parish
What city or town is this Church located?
Bonneville Gettysburg, Pa
What date and service did you attend?
4-30-09 8 AM MAss
Evaluating
How would you rate this church?
Please provide ratings based on your own experience. Yes, I realize
this is subjective and your '1′ might be someone else's '5′. That's
ok. It's your rating and I really want your opinion.
Rate the following from 1 to 5. 1 is not effective, 5 is very effective!
Overall: 3 Friendliness 4 Singing NA
____________ Preaching 3
First Impressions
Outside:
Was the building easy to find?
very
Was it difficult to find parking?
no, i had to guess as far as where it was because i needed to find an alley near to the church to get on the back street that lead to the parking lot but i found parking easily
How about the interior or exterior signage- what would you do differently?
there were not really any signs i saw. I would probably put a sign out front with the church name, mass times, and "Parking in Rear"
What did the appearance, style, or construction of the building
communicate to you?
It looked like a catholic church. It was easy to find and i knew it was a main line denomination church because of the building style
Before the service:
Did anyone approach you and speak to you before the service got underway?
no, after
If someone did speak to you, how did you feel about that?
it was cool, they just said good morning and i said it back. Then the informed me that the Father was going to be coming out so i hung around to talk to him. The second time i went i had a short conversation with a women about what i was doing now and how sh felt that i would eventually come around to being catholic again
Can you share their names?
I don't remember, but she told me twice that her husband was the deacon
Did you know them before the visit?like i said i went twice and apparently i said good morning to her the first time i was there
General observations:
As you observed the people "doing their church thing", what went
through your mind?
that i didn't how their liturgy worked and tried to mumble under my breathe to pretend i knew what to say. I was trying to remember anything i could. i thought it was very tradition based
Were you able to understand why they do what they do?
yes. It is how catholic church works. I don't really know why. I mean i can think of the bible verses that they defend their actions with but i don't really know why they do church the way they do church. Like almost any mass you go to anywhere is the same. I don't know why that is.
Do they seem sincere?
i spent the whole time trying to find out. Some seemed very sincere and others did not
What do you think about the overall presentation of the service? (the
liturgy, program or flow of the service)
it is very organized and quick service that is executed with precision. I thought it was well done, organized and traditional
Bulletin and communications:
Is there anything in the church bulletin that you find confusing or offensive? no, not really. i didn't really look at it or read it because i needed to pay attention to the quickly moving service. it had events and all that...pretty good. I thought it was out of date because it said "Third Sunday of Easter." It was this weeks bulletin. They just celebrate easter as a season.
If this were your "business", how would you improve the communication
part of it- the bulletin especially?
I would probably include announcements somewhere in the service. Bulletin was pretty good. I think everything was in there that needed to be in there, even though i didn't know the bulletins were bulletins until i looked inside. There were no greeters and no one handing them out and you had to get one out of a bin for yourself. I would change that.
Were announcements clear, and interesting (did you want to sign up for
anything)? no announcements
Children's Ministry
Does this church appear kid-friendly?
no
Did you bring any children with you to the service?
no
If so, ask them about their experience. What did they tell you?
Music and Prayer
How would you describe the music? non existent except for the chants..i will count them
Did you enjoy any of it? some were interesting
Did you feel like you connected with God during any part of it? yeah, whn we were praying for Christ to have mercy i was able to get into that kinda
How was it different from what you are used to?
Oh man, it was chants without music and i am used to rock music
Would you enjoy worshiping like that often?
no
What did you think of the prayers that were offered in the service?
they were nice but very planned. The plannedness made them poetic but only some of them felt sincere
As you listened to the prayers, what did you learn about how that
church might think of people, or of God?
they think everyone should relate to God the same way and they veiw God as a being to be respected and related to properly
The Speaker's Presentation
Did the Pastor or speaker seem likable? yeah
Is he/she a person you might enjoy having coffee with? Why? yeah , he probably has some interesting views on God and Christianity and i could probably learn a little bit from him
Did he/she seem engaged/sincere/condescending?
kind of engaged, it felt like he does this seven days a week
Were you motivated to do or think anything differently because of the talk?
i was motivated to know God and experience him in a deeper way
What could they have done to make it more enjoyable or useful?
I wish it would have been longer and clearer. He didn't really spend any time on points. I didn't pay attention for like 30 seconds and i got lost and confused. It was just too short and i didn't get a chance to catch up.
Please erase any of the following descriptors that did not apply to
the talk: Enjoyable, , Thought-provoking, Boring, Relevant,
Gloomy, Credible,Useful,
The Message
What was the main idea of the message?
the bread of life and how we grow in experience as we grow in knowledge
What action did the speaker want you to take or consider taking?
getting to know God in a deeper way
Did the talk itself (the subject matter) hold your attention?
it did but i got confused. You had to pay attention because otherwise you would totally miss it
Did any part of the talk stand out to you in a positive or negative way?
not really
What is the one thing the speaker could do that would improve his/her
presentation? just talk about less stuff. You only have ten minutes so just talk about one point and repeat yourself a lot. I got confused because it was so quick and content heavy. you can move quick but cover one point well instead of a lot of stuff poorly. I think the subject matter was too deep for the time allotted
Do you think that you particularly will remember anything that was taught?
we will grow in experiencing God as we grow in knowing him
Do you understand God or people better because of it?
I understand experiencing God better and i understand why people ( or me) might not experience God in a period of time in their lives
Did it make you feel like you wanted to preach someday yourself ?
not really
New Believer 4
http://developingoutreach.blogspot.com/
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Phil
Phil's journey to faith was a long one. He had survived being shot, stabbed, hit by cars and a serious car accident and he found himself in jail wondering if this was really the way his life had turned out. He wondered if he should just accept it or if he has a purpose and a chance to change his life. He got a letter from his finance and then they got back together with her and had three boys. He took that as a sign that God was giving him a second chance. He decided to follow God so that he could be a great father and husband and break the cycle of abuse that his father had started . He is believing that he can break it forever and I am praying that his beliefs are realized.
For Phil, the best parts of being a Christian are the freedom from bondage he has enjoyed and the fact he doesn't have to worry about what tomorrow will bring. The hardest parts for Phil are submission to the rules of the Freedom House and to a leader that is younger than he is. Phil has been helped on his journey by the guys at the house and the people at the church. They have led him by example, accepted him for who he is and made an honest effort to build a relationship with him. Also, the testimonies of the men in the house have helped encourage him as he seeks his own freedom.
Phil wouldn't give anyone who is like he used to be any advice. He would just tell them about what building a relationship with God has done in his life. He would also tell them what they need to do to build a relationship with God. After that, it is their choice as to weather or not they want to change.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Phil
Phil's journey to faith was a long one. He had survived being shot, stabbed, hit by cars and a serious car accident and he found himself in jail wondering if this was really the way his life had turned out. He wondered if he should just accept it or if he has a purpose and a chance to change his life. He got a letter from his finance and then they got back together with her and had three boys. He took that as a sign that God was giving him a second chance. He decided to follow God so that he could be a great father and husband and break the cycle of abuse that his father had started . He is believing that he can break it forever and I am praying that his beliefs are realized.
For Phil, the best parts of being a Christian are the freedom from bondage he has enjoyed and the fact he doesn't have to worry about what tomorrow will bring. The hardest parts for Phil are submission to the rules of the Freedom House and to a leader that is younger than he is. Phil has been helped on his journey by the guys at the house and the people at the church. They have led him by example, accepted him for who he is and made an honest effort to build a relationship with him. Also, the testimonies of the men in the house have helped encourage him as he seeks his own freedom.
Phil wouldn't give anyone who is like he used to be any advice. He would just tell them about what building a relationship with God has done in his life. He would also tell them what they need to do to build a relationship with God. After that, it is their choice as to weather or not they want to change.
New Believer 3
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Travis
Travis is a student in our youth ministry who I have seen grow in the Lord over this past year. It has been awesome to see him get connected. I specifically remember a time when Daniel asked me to use him in a skit and I didn't even know who he was. He ended up doing the skit and doing a good job. He and I have grown close and he really is a good kid.
His journey to faith was relatively simple. He has come to faith by just attending Church, listening to the sermons, and making new friendships with Christ followers. These things have helped him to grow closer to Jesus as this year has progressed. Travis stepped over the line and made a commitment to Jesus during meetings with Johannes Amritzer that Freedom Valley Worship Center, his home church, had in June. He was baptized in water at the conclusion of that week. He now considered himself a believer and had started his journey of faith.
According to Travis, the best part of being a Christian has been confidence that he will not accidentally step into the wrong crowd as long as he stays around believers. Also, he enjoys the fact that he is happy most of the time. The hardest part has been having to constantly check himself an think about his actions. When you are a believer, you can't just do what you want. You have to check yourself. It is good that Travis already realizes this and has taken on the challenge because it is crucial to living an integrate life as a believer.
The things that have helped Travis grow are his church attendance and his friendships with church people. The advice he would give to someone in his position would be this: Go to church and get connected. Make good friends and get involved.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
Travis
Travis is a student in our youth ministry who I have seen grow in the Lord over this past year. It has been awesome to see him get connected. I specifically remember a time when Daniel asked me to use him in a skit and I didn't even know who he was. He ended up doing the skit and doing a good job. He and I have grown close and he really is a good kid.
His journey to faith was relatively simple. He has come to faith by just attending Church, listening to the sermons, and making new friendships with Christ followers. These things have helped him to grow closer to Jesus as this year has progressed. Travis stepped over the line and made a commitment to Jesus during meetings with Johannes Amritzer that Freedom Valley Worship Center, his home church, had in June. He was baptized in water at the conclusion of that week. He now considered himself a believer and had started his journey of faith.
According to Travis, the best part of being a Christian has been confidence that he will not accidentally step into the wrong crowd as long as he stays around believers. Also, he enjoys the fact that he is happy most of the time. The hardest part has been having to constantly check himself an think about his actions. When you are a believer, you can't just do what you want. You have to check yourself. It is good that Travis already realizes this and has taken on the challenge because it is crucial to living an integrate life as a believer.
The things that have helped Travis grow are his church attendance and his friendships with church people. The advice he would give to someone in his position would be this: Go to church and get connected. Make good friends and get involved.
Unbeliever 4
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Otureach and Discipleship
Gerry Stoltzfoos
Alex feels that the greatest need in his area is a general reality check. People need to realize whats important. They need to stop focusing on materialistic fulfillment, just live and be grateful for whatever comes their way. Instead, the pursuit of possessions has become a competition for attention that spawns ridiculous trends that have a strict “subscribe or be ridiculed” policy. Alex does not actively attend any church and does not feel that he has any interests that would make a good sermon topic. I am pretty sure he is, among other things, interested in music and video games. Side note: I think a sermon utilizing video games would reach a mind blowing level of coolness.
Alex thinks people don't attend church because most people think that just saying their a Christian is okay. As for him personally, there is a multitude of reasons why he does not attend. For one, He does not believe in God or that Jesus was his so so he sees no reason for him to attend. Also, after spending a decade of his life growing up in church, he is very disillusioned with the church world. He has seen a world where there is a lot of drama and abundant amounts of blatant hypocrisy. He feels like the church is always asking for money. He also feels like that the church is narrow minded and unwilling to debate and discuss. Basically, he feels that the church has a lot of issues that can be easily avoided by just not going.
Alex would look for a church that was open to challenges and skepticism and could at least attempt to prove its belief system. He doesn't want to go to a place where questioning religion is taboo. He would advise a pastor to be down to earth, approachable and personal. Get to know people. Answer their questions. Debate with them. Listen to them. Encourage people to think for themselves and be open to challenges of Christianity. He feels that encouraging people to think for themselves is one of the most helpful things anyone can do.
I'm sorry this is over the limit but I really enjoyed this interview and wish I could have included more
For anyone interested I can send you the email with his original answers...really good , honest stuff from a person who is burned by church .
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Otureach and Discipleship
Gerry Stoltzfoos
Alex feels that the greatest need in his area is a general reality check. People need to realize whats important. They need to stop focusing on materialistic fulfillment, just live and be grateful for whatever comes their way. Instead, the pursuit of possessions has become a competition for attention that spawns ridiculous trends that have a strict “subscribe or be ridiculed” policy. Alex does not actively attend any church and does not feel that he has any interests that would make a good sermon topic. I am pretty sure he is, among other things, interested in music and video games. Side note: I think a sermon utilizing video games would reach a mind blowing level of coolness.
Alex thinks people don't attend church because most people think that just saying their a Christian is okay. As for him personally, there is a multitude of reasons why he does not attend. For one, He does not believe in God or that Jesus was his so so he sees no reason for him to attend. Also, after spending a decade of his life growing up in church, he is very disillusioned with the church world. He has seen a world where there is a lot of drama and abundant amounts of blatant hypocrisy. He feels like the church is always asking for money. He also feels like that the church is narrow minded and unwilling to debate and discuss. Basically, he feels that the church has a lot of issues that can be easily avoided by just not going.
Alex would look for a church that was open to challenges and skepticism and could at least attempt to prove its belief system. He doesn't want to go to a place where questioning religion is taboo. He would advise a pastor to be down to earth, approachable and personal. Get to know people. Answer their questions. Debate with them. Listen to them. Encourage people to think for themselves and be open to challenges of Christianity. He feels that encouraging people to think for themselves is one of the most helpful things anyone can do.
I'm sorry this is over the limit but I really enjoyed this interview and wish I could have included more
For anyone interested I can send you the email with his original answers...really good , honest stuff from a person who is burned by church .
Thursday, April 2, 2009
David Kennard
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
4/02/2009
When I think about small group ministry, I think of a group meeting in a house and discussing Bible passages relating to the theme of the small group. Honestly I have never really viewed that as very exciting except for in a couple special cases. David expanded my definition. He said that his small groups are basically groups that just do things together. For example, a group of men would play tennis together every Wednesday. The main purpose at the group in the beginning is to have a fun time doing something you love. But there is an underlying motive behind it all. There is an intentional purpose in that the gospel will definitely be brought up in conversation at some point by one of the facilitators of the small group. Basically, spirituality is not a must every time. The leaders build relationship and then move to the important stuff. This seems like a cool idea and I may implement this model some day when I am helping to run a church. I never really viewed small groups as evangelical in nature and always viewed them as a discipleship tool. David's model allows for both and I think that is a great thing.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
4/02/2009
When I think about small group ministry, I think of a group meeting in a house and discussing Bible passages relating to the theme of the small group. Honestly I have never really viewed that as very exciting except for in a couple special cases. David expanded my definition. He said that his small groups are basically groups that just do things together. For example, a group of men would play tennis together every Wednesday. The main purpose at the group in the beginning is to have a fun time doing something you love. But there is an underlying motive behind it all. There is an intentional purpose in that the gospel will definitely be brought up in conversation at some point by one of the facilitators of the small group. Basically, spirituality is not a must every time. The leaders build relationship and then move to the important stuff. This seems like a cool idea and I may implement this model some day when I am helping to run a church. I never really viewed small groups as evangelical in nature and always viewed them as a discipleship tool. David's model allows for both and I think that is a great thing.
Monday, March 30, 2009
Unchurched Friend #3
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Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/30/2009
Unchurched Friend
Name: CJ
Occupation and Lifestyle: Student living at home
CJ feels that the greatest need in his area is something for the kids to do. It should be noted that the term“kid” encompasses anyone one still in the local school district. He feels that he lives in a boring town in which kids just hang out at home and have nothing interesting to do. The closest place for people to hang out is the Deptford Mall, which is twenty minutes away. Basically, the greatest need he can think of is the need for more youth friendly recreation. A Church with vision for this sort of thing could provide for this need in an incredible way. Some kind of youth center with an after school program could fill this need incredibly well.
CJ is interested in many different things. Among these are serious things like economics and war and less serious things like video games, technology and Football. He thinks that most people don't attend church because they are too busy with other things. He personally doesn't attend because he can work on Sunday and make more money per hour. Because of this, he works as much as he can on Sundays. This is quite a change from the world my mother grew up in were everything was closed on Sundays. If CJ were to look or a church to attend, he would look for a relevant, concise, and engaging service in a church that is well connected to the community. His advice to Pastors is that they would make themselves available and easily contactable. He also recommends that they lead their congregations in serving the community well. If he is going to ask his people to do service projects, he should be out serving right alongside them. I think this is such a good leadership point that we should all remember.
Addison Roberts
CRL 233 Developing Outreach and Discipleship Programs
Instructor Gerry Stoltzfoos
3/30/2009
Unchurched Friend
Name: CJ
Occupation and Lifestyle: Student living at home
CJ feels that the greatest need in his area is something for the kids to do. It should be noted that the term“kid” encompasses anyone one still in the local school district. He feels that he lives in a boring town in which kids just hang out at home and have nothing interesting to do. The closest place for people to hang out is the Deptford Mall, which is twenty minutes away. Basically, the greatest need he can think of is the need for more youth friendly recreation. A Church with vision for this sort of thing could provide for this need in an incredible way. Some kind of youth center with an after school program could fill this need incredibly well.
CJ is interested in many different things. Among these are serious things like economics and war and less serious things like video games, technology and Football. He thinks that most people don't attend church because they are too busy with other things. He personally doesn't attend because he can work on Sunday and make more money per hour. Because of this, he works as much as he can on Sundays. This is quite a change from the world my mother grew up in were everything was closed on Sundays. If CJ were to look or a church to attend, he would look for a relevant, concise, and engaging service in a church that is well connected to the community. His advice to Pastors is that they would make themselves available and easily contactable. He also recommends that they lead their congregations in serving the community well. If he is going to ask his people to do service projects, he should be out serving right alongside them. I think this is such a good leadership point that we should all remember.
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